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that they are not obligated to this anti-tax pledge they all signed by grover norquist. does that suggest we're closer to compromise? >> we're closer but it may only be measured with a mike kromtcrometer. the big deal, how do you get it? the president said he doesn't see a way to get it without raising those tax rates on the most healthy. republicans, even those inches towards compromise saying yes, for revenue, but don't want to see rates go up at all. then it gets into a counting question. how much money can you get through fixing the tax code? once you tinker with the tax code you invite swarms of lobbyists and a timing question. can you raise enough revenue through tweaking the tax code by the end of the year to get something done or do you have to do a shoert deal and the harder work of tax reform later? there's entitlements major mentioned. >> also momentum and having the results of an election. do you feel that there is a difference this time so that maybe they can push it over the hill? >> certainly in talking to white house officials, they say, you know elections have a
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